About this Ride
Type: Automobiles
Model: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta

Real Name: Ken S
Location: Concord, CA US.
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Gender: Dude
Age: 33.41 years

Technically this is my wife's car. We bought it in July of 2002 and got a great deal on it after going through 4 or 5 sales people during an 8 hour stint at the VW dealer. Like my '04 GTO, this car had been sitting on the lot for quite a while which is why we were able to get a good deal on it. Life was good with the car for about 6 months.

First the driver's side window fell into the door. It was a recall item. Two weeks later the passenger side window fell into the door. The same recall, but hey, why fix BOTH sides when it's in the shop for only one? That might actually save the customer some trouble down the road.

One morning a few months later my wife called from the Bart station to tell me the oil light had come on in her car. Puzzled, I stopped by the station to investigate. I found the oil level alarmingly low. So low that it didn't even read on the dipstick. It took nearly two quarts to get it a reading on the stick. Little did I know that I would be opening a can of worms.

Long story short, thanks to VW's "precision engineering"* on their 2.0 L 4 cylinders I have to add about a quart and a half of oil every 1000-1500 miles. According to VW and several dealers in the area, this is within VW's acceptable range. I have never, I repeat, NEVER owned a car that gratuitously used so much oil. I am not alone here, this is a well-documented issue with the 2.0L engines.

Fast forward another couple of months. My wife goes to leave in the morning after a rain storm and find 2" of water in the driver's side floor pan. We bail the water, take a to a dealer who diagnoses the leak and "solves" the problem. Apparently the windshield was not sealed properly. VW wouldn't cover the replacement of the carpet in the car even though it was soaked. As a matter of fact, the dealer didn't even try to dry it out.

Fast forward yet another few months and two or three quarts of oil. My wife calls me from the Bart parking lot again. This time it's because her car won't go into gear. I'm confused as I haven't noticed a leak and this is usually a sign of low fluid. Strangely I couldn't find a transmission dipstick. That's because VW uses a sealed automatic tranny with a special break-off dipstick that only allows a VW tech to add or check fluid.

That was beside the point anyway, because this thing was locked up beyond all hope. It wouldn't even roll in neutral. I had to call three different tow companies to find one that would literally drag it from it's parking spot. Never did find out what went wrong with the old transmission, but we got a new one under warranty.

The latest drama happened a couple of months ago. The car had developed a musty smell inside and we were having trouble tracing the origin. I happened to notice the floor on the passenger side was damp so I took it into the dealer and mentioned the past history we had with leaks.

This time it turns out that there are some small drain tubes in the corners of the sunroof recess that need to be periodically cleaned or else they will overflow...INTO THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT. Note that it doesn't say anything about cleaning these drain tubes anywhere in the factory literature. Design flaw anyone? Never. Not on a German car. We found out the hard way it's a $250 fee to clean the drains. We're still puzzled as to how these tubes got clogged when the sunroof had not been opened or used in months.

Anyway, that's our story. Thanks for sticking it out with me, I'm sure you can see how it earned it's nickname. Hopefully it helps someone out that's thinking of picking up one of these cars. I think it pretty much goes without saying that this will be our first and last VW. I can't wait to scrape this one off my shoe.

*One service advisor did actually use "high precision German engineering" as an excuse for the oil usage.









Comments



max says:
Posted on 2006-09-07 21:02:36

I'm sorry to hear that you're among the many people screwed by Brazilian made VWs.

I stick with pre-1999 VWs for just these reasons. VW's plant in Brazil did fine for years and years (heck, my 1991 was made in Brazil) but around 2000 (around the time the A4 chassis was introduced for Golfs and Jettas) their build quality just went into the toilet. There were some design problems too, but the QC problems out of Brazil really destroyed VWs reputation.

The only post-1999 VW I would buy would be one that was actually built in Germany (those were sold as Wolfsburg Editions over here). The people with the real German ones don't seem to have anywhere near the number of problems as the people with the south american ones.

I'm a VW guy, so I'm hoping that they have their act together with the A5s that just came out (the new Jetta, the new GTI, and the Rabbit). VW claims they have addressed the problems with their plant in Brazil... we'll see I guess.

I'd like to see these "precision" valve stem seals or these "precision" piston rings or this "precision" cylinder bore honing technique that is the culprit behind this precisely engineered loss of oil. I assume it gets burned and not leaked onto the ground or into the coolant? I wonder if it was a design flaw or if it's just what happens when you let a factory in south america build your engines?



twogoats says:
Posted on 2006-09-07 21:14:02

I may be splitting hairs here, but I believe this car was assembled in Mexico.

I've never seen any indication that the oil is leaking into the coolant or vice versa and there are no visible leaks under the car. I've seen many, many reports on various web sites regarding the 2.0L oil usage so I'm definitely not an edge case. I've even seen reports that a small amount of 2.0L had their rings installed upside down which caused some issues.

I have a friend who purchased an '02 Passat recently after doing a lot of research. He loves the car and it's given him no problems. I suspect we just happened to hit the wrong model and powerplant combo.



max says:
Posted on 2006-09-11 09:02:37

Ah, good catch - upon looking back, you are correct. Brazil would have been the old VW Foxes, etc (I used to own a Fox, back in the day - so I tend to have Brazil on the brain when it comes to south american VWs).The 2.0 8 valve engines coded "ABA" are good, but they only used those up to 1999 (through the A3 chassis). The Early ABAs (1993-1995) actually used a real nice forged crankshaft and had oil squirters under each piston. They did away with those in 96, but the motor was still good. Around 1999/2000, the 2.0 8 valve that they used got changed (I'm not sure exactly what the changes were) and they got different engine codes (AEG, AVH, AZG, and so on). Those are pretty widely known to be junk - mainly because of these oil consumption issues.I'm curious to see how their new base engine, the inline 5 cylinder, works out. Surprisingly, it's not derived from the I5s that VW and Audi used to use (those were bulletproof) - rather, it's derived from the V10 used in the Lamborghini Gallardo! It's half of the Lambo motor (but with far less than half the power, obviously very de-tuned). I hope it proves to be robust, but as much as I love Italian cars... they're not exactly known for reliability or longevity.





  
 
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How it was Used: Lots and lots of oil between regularly scheduled maintenence.

Price Paid: $3


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Shop Vac 1 Gallon

How it was Used: My favorite device for removing water from the interior

Price Paid: $30


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How it was Used: Must keep one of these in the car at all times to help keep the moisture down.

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I bought this car in 1991 to work on and restore while I was in High School. I was supposed to sell it for college tuition. I drove it my first few years of college but the commute really took a toll on it's condition so I parked it. In 1997 I brought it out of storage and began driving it again. In 2002 began a complete chassis restoration correcting all the things I did to it when I was younger. It's basically had a frame-off restoration without actually having had the frame removed.


The New One - 2004 Pontiac GTO

I have been lusting after a modern GM performance car ever since I got my license. For years I either couldn't afford one or didn't like the styling. Just as I was about to give up I spotted this car sitting by itself among all the '05s on my local dealer's lot. It's the little GTO nobody wanted. It took me a month to work a deal with the dealership (and my wife), but it was worth it. I took it home on December 7th, 2005. The icing on the cake is that it's one of the last 800 produced and has the W40 package which includes Pulse Red paint, a "silver" gauge package and red GTO stitching on the seats.



twogoats spotted:

Monkeemobile - 1966 Pontiac GTO

I first spotted the Monkeemobile in '86 at the Dallas Autorama. 20 years later I ran into it again at the Elk Grove High School car show in Elk Grove, CA. This is #2 of 2 cars that were originally created by Dean Jeffries out of '66 GTO convertibles for use on The Monkees TV show.

It's currently owned by George Barris and will be restored for SEMA in the fall. It's just so goofy looking, how can you not love it?

See http://groups.msn.com/TheMonkeemobile for a great site with lots of Monkeemobile info.


Quintessential GTO - Pontiac GTO

I spotted this '65 GTO convertible at the same car show I saw the Monkeemobile. I belongs to someone in the Northern California GTO Club. It's definitely the quintessential Goat. In addition to being a convertible, it was a 389 tri power 4 speed car with a 3.23 posi rear and rally gauges. It doesn't get much better than that.


Woodward Ram Air 6 - 2004 Pontiac GTO

I spotted the Woodward Ram Air 6 GTO concept at the Goodguys Get Together in Pleasanton, CA this passed weekend. Much more stunning in person than I imagined. It's got an LS2-based powerplant but I didn't study it close enough to see if it had any power adders. The ram air intakes shroud most of the engine compartment. Lots of carbon fiber detailing throughout the car. Very slick.







twogoats wants to own:

Jersey Rattler - 1965 Ford Mustang

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Update! This car is worth about $200,000 today. It's been restored as "Long Gone". See it here: http://www.blueovalranch.com/page7.html







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